Clearing away Runner Bean plants

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    Jacqui
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    Hi Charles

    When your Runner and French Stick beans have finished, do you leave the stalks to rot down on the ground over winter or do you clear all away to the compost heap. ?
    Likewise what do you do once courgettes have finished.?

    The Blue beehives are actually my compost heaps as per a design by Geoff Hamilton made many years ago by my husband.

    Thank you for your advice.

    #49487

    Cleansweep
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    Its beneficial to leave the roots in situ. No disturbance of the soil structure, hopefully your beans have produced nitrogenous root nodules which will be available to subsequent plantings. If we get a mild winter, you may notice the beans reshoot, but dont allow them to.Its more likely that the beans will be killed off by frost, in Spring any remaining rotted stems can be removed. Personally do not replant beans on the same spot.
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    #49828

    Marjorie HAYNES
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    once the runner beans are cleared away and roots left in the soil, can i plant straight into the soil or should i wait for the roots to rot dawn?

    #49842

    charles
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    Jacqui it’s nice to be reminded of Geoff!
    I find that legume veg such as peas & beans, which have grown to full maturity then started to die off, such as runner beans now, leave few nodules for a following crop, plus their roots start to rot by now.
    Two key points in general:
    1 Leave as many roots in the soil as you can, from any previous crop: they are rood for microbes.Cutting stems at soil level is good, or twist stems out rather than pull, to minimise disturbance.
    2 (on Marjorie’s point) Plant straightaway if the season is right. The decaying roots do not interfere with new growth.

    #49849

    John
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    Hi Charles

    I have been taking your advice about leaving roots in situ, partly for the reasons you have given, but also to avoid putting any soil on my compost heap. I have some problem areas with onion white rot and don’t want to spread the soil-borne fungus into the heap and then, via the compost, to other areas of my plot. Does this seem a good idea or I am being paranoid?

    Best wishes, John

    #49859

    Neilfrazerm
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    Hi Jaqui,
    I think, once again, dealing with runner beans may be down to context. I plant my runner beans on the same patch each year and have lived in that bed quite happily for the last 10 years.
    I always cut the plants off at ground level and then mulch.
    Though I always raise enough plants each year for a complete planting out, my seedlings stay in root trainers until the plants from the previous year have sprouted as I prefer to use these rather than new seedlings. I sometimes have to grub around to find the plants which have overwintered successfully.
    This year my overwintered plants (sown in 2017) produced a far superior crop to the (2018) seed raised plants, the latter being dreadfully poor. My conclusion is that the plants from last year had an extensive root network which was much more developed and robust than the new plants. I will also stick my neck out and guess that the roots lay dormant and did not rot, so had a deeper root run, so were not so susceptible to drought as per 2018.
    Alys Fowler suggests thet may be kept for 2 years if there is a mild Winter and believes that they give a reduced crop in the second year. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/aug/28/alys-fowler-runner-beans
    Now, the proposed method for keeping the tubers over winter seems to be to lift and store as one would with dahlia tubers as they can either freeze or rot off or mulch and keep them cozy in the ground. So the experiment should be as follows:
    Mark where the plants are so they can be investigated in May when they should be popping up.
    Cover in fleece to protect any early shoots from late frost (and some straw may help under the fleece too), and
    Do no-dig gardening to build up the humus so the ground drains well and does not rot the tubers….

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